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Post  Cyraano on Tue Jun 07, 2011 10:21 pm

What happened to good ol' Moth's server?

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Post  J. Persinne on Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:11 am

In short: Moth was a madman! We all play here now.

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Post  Cyraano on Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:45 am

I want juicy details.

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Post  Professor Plum on Wed Jun 08, 2011 12:37 pm

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Post  Cryptic on Wed Jun 08, 2011 12:50 pm

Potatoes. Endless potatoes.

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Post  J. Persinne on Wed Jun 08, 2011 1:09 pm

I don't speak for everyone, but I feel I speak for many of the players there: Moth was great at what he did. Broad strokes, he certainly knew his stuff. Very creative. The server had an innovative start.

But as he started hammering down the details, it became increasingly evident that his grasp on the intricacies of the game was... tenuous, at best. This wouldn't have been a problem, had he elected to listen to others; but he didn't.

Latter day Moth's was nearly unplayable.

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Post  Cryptic on Wed Jun 08, 2011 2:00 pm

^This.

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Post  Rugnarie on Wed Jun 08, 2011 2:22 pm

lol @ that post by J. Looks like some RP or something Very Happy
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Post  SnarleysAngel on Thu Jun 09, 2011 11:26 pm

cyrano is a tee dbl u ehh tee ee


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Post  SnarleysAngel on Fri Jun 10, 2011 4:02 am

J. Persinne wrote:I don't speak for everyone, but I feel I speak for many of the players there: Moth was great at what he did. Broad strokes, he certainly knew his stuff. Very creative. The server had an innovative start.

But as he started hammering down the details, it became increasingly evident that his grasp on the intricacies of the game was... tenuous, at best. This wouldn't have been a problem, had he elected to listen to others; but he didn't.

Latter day Moth's was nearly unplayable.

Honestly, I think that was a moonlight fight and recruit more than anything that made the latter days of moths unplayable


I could be wrong certainly, but having been around for the demise of and staying after and then welcoming the new game in town that is still my perspective


Please though, for me if for no one else, stop saying shit like "he painted with broad strokes."

C'mon if you don't like them then say you think they are a douche and what they did was douchie.... or is it douchey
or is it some other way spelly ???

Anyway... Moth's mod still is the best for me. I welcome good changes and am tickled pink with like 80% of what this mod is... It's still the most NWN fun I ever had ever... and I been around the NWN block


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Post  Cryptic on Fri Jun 10, 2011 4:19 am

I'm having trouble discerning your post. Could you rephrase?

Also, when you use quotation marks the text within them should be accurate even if you think the meaning is the same. There's really no excuse when you have the true quote directly above!

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Post  SnarleysAngel on Fri Jun 10, 2011 4:25 am

heh, if you can't read wobbly prose then you can't read it.... No dumbing it down.

My quotes in my wobbly prose are how I read it to mean and how I responded. The quotation above is how I requoted someone as in or out of context as it may be.

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Post  SnarleysAngel on Fri Jun 10, 2011 4:29 am

by the way... I often don't punctuate. Sad hard for people who have english as their first language Sad( harder if it's not so I get what you are saying, but maybe I don't want you to get what I am saying unless it just hits home

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Post  Cryptic on Fri Jun 10, 2011 4:48 am

Okay.

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Post  Professor Plum on Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:17 am

By 'Broad strokes' and the following sentence, I don't think he's hinting at 'douche'.

Rather it's a respectful way of acknowledging moths creativity, even if it mostly didn't help balance things; as the details and specifics were never particularly ironed out.

E.G. An artist is able to create the framework of a masterpiece with broad strokes, but without the finer details it's just a mess on a page.
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Post  Vladimir on Fri Jun 10, 2011 6:09 am

this is what i got frmo gossip in axfell
moth made a public release.
dack left as host.
danumao took over hosting
danumao added some not popular things like the anti arcane on hit & expertise fix.
moth left the server
exodus was started by some players from moths
danumao ran the server badly so we went to exodus
exodus was active for 2 to 3 months then was a afkserver
danumapo shut down genesis
exodus was shut down and started again
exodus was shut down
some time with no genesis mod around
stardock started a server with public genesis
stardock left the server and it was taken by the old exodus crew
moth started a new genesis
this crew try to recuit moth
moth didnt join them and is now with a ghosttown server

im not sure how right any of it is.it is gossip! Laughing

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Post  Professor Plum on Fri Jun 10, 2011 7:52 am

Moth wanted to join, but an extra cook wasn't needed Smile

Moth added Arcane Castigation and a bunch of weird 'pureish' abilities.

Exodus was awesome!


Most of the stuff is accurate though!
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Post  I Almost on Fri Jun 10, 2011 10:15 am

I liked the pureish abilities! hence why i made a pure barb ^^ 70 secs of immortality! anyway, indeed i liked moths server best, and still do. but since he made changes so frequently and people had to remake and start anew many ''many'' times, it started to get annoying not to mention some other stuff that was going on ;P
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Post  Rugnarie on Fri Jun 10, 2011 11:45 am

I still don't understand the point of this topic.....
Moth gave us years of fun.
Period.
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Post  Professor Plum on Fri Jun 10, 2011 11:52 am

Filling in what has happened!

70 Seconds of invuln = totally balanced ^_^
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Post  J. Persinne on Fri Jun 10, 2011 12:40 pm

Professor Plum wrote:By 'Broad strokes' and the following sentence, I don't think he's hinting at 'douche'.

Rather it's a respectful way of acknowledging moths creativity, even if it mostly didn't help balance things; as the details and specifics were never particularly ironed out.
Er. Yeah, this.

There are people that are good at coming up with broad ideas, but not so good at tweaking details. Then there are people that are good with details, but not so good at coming up with broad ideas.

I'm a detail-oriented person. I'm great at figuring how to implement and balance things once an idea is there, but I'm terrible at forming said ideas initially. I respect the idea people of the world, because without them, we wouldn't get anywhere interesting. But you need a bit of both to be successful.

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Post  Cyraano on Fri Jun 10, 2011 2:44 pm

Rugnarie wrote:I still don't understand the point of this topic.....
Moth gave us years of fun.
Period.


Im not criticizing him whatsoever. When I played on his server he had his douchey moments every so often... but didnt we all?

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Post  SnarleysAngel on Fri Jun 10, 2011 3:34 pm

Cyraano wrote:
Im not criticizing him whatsoever. When I played on his server he had his douchey moments every so often... but didnt we all?

heh indeed cheers cherry

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Post  Arataki on Sat Jun 11, 2011 2:43 am

I totaly agree with you Rugnar. I had tons of fun there. To be honest. If this server wasn't up at first I would have played on his.

My opinion. Think because this is an old game and the combination of things. Moth who loved to build and his goal to create a perfect balanced module. Some people who did know the game in and out and wanted to build the ultimate char and did push him to the edge again and again so he had to come up with something new. And people who get bored or things happend in RL.
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Post  TheMothMan on Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:50 am

Hello all.
You got a nice setup here, it makes me very happy to see my MOD alive!
I'm also very glad that you are using a mod that, judging from the updates, is very much like my Public Relase MOD. Smile
I see the establishment here are doing their best to keep this experience as good for all of you as possible and that is all you players can ask of them.

Reading this thread I had to register to correct one thing however;
Professor Plum wrote:Moth wanted to join, but an extra cook wasn't needed Smile

This is simpley not true.

Constrainer contacted me asking fo a collaboration. Which I said wasn't my thing.
To prove this let me quote the PM's and you can interpret them as you please.

Hey Moth!
How are you? Awesome to see you back messing around with NWN again. I am contacting you because many of those who played on your old server are on playing on an Anph Gen mod we have had hosted for a bit. I would love to chat with you and see what you have in mind for your server and if there is any room for collaboration.
Thanks!

Hello Mothman,
We have only been at it for a month or so now. Yes, it is important to be clear from the start. Your not being an ass its just what you want to do and that is fine. I appreciate bluntness and don't take offense to it. I also would like to be blunt and honest from my point of view. I personally think you are awesome at making creative changes and have a wonderful flavor that is unreplicable among builders. In addition I think that some of the changes you have made have repercussions that have not been thought out completely. Many heads are better than one.

I have been a Moth fan for a while and figured that you would respond the way you did. I do hope that you will reconsider for the following reasons. I and other vet players see the splitting of servers Moths/Exodus/Revival as a major factor in the demise of the previous servers. Its almost like having a Ranz faction. We currently have almost all the old vet players playing and working with us besides the Wolf Clan. We have a remote linux server that has been set up by our own linux guru and has automated restarts/permission and all other sorts of neat stuff. We have a large player base which we go to great lengths to treat well and not harshly should some small rule be broken. We have only done a few updates thus far but we will soon will have many as we are adopting reviewed versions of many of the Exodus changes which the Exodus team is adding for us. If I remember correctly the previous server became a burden to you because you did almost everything. I would rather have as much of the community work on various things to polish up the mod as possible. To do things like spell descriptions which you can never do given all the others things you want to work on. I and many others see old Moths Anph as an unsympathetic dictatorship. What I am purposing is an oligarchy of the even tempered and sound minded for the sole purpose of making something great that all can enjoy and have fun with for years to come.
I don't want to hold you back I want unite and share our and our communities strengths.
Otherwise I just see history repeating itself sadly. No matter what you decide I wish you and your server well.
Cordially,
Rob

Hey Moth,
As for staff so far we have scholar moonlight who is working on scripts/admining. Snarleys Angels who is our linux guru and helps with complex scripting theory, Thonil who is working on building and RP DMing, Ialmost who is RP DMing and myself. I am working on spell descriptions/rp DMing and admin things. We have been up for around 2 months with the server in our control. It was previously being hosted by someone who just put it up on a whim while they worked on their own project.
Yes by collaboration I mean I want you to come work with us however I don't call it my mod. I am not interested in having it named after me or taking any credit for things others do. I view the mod as belonging first to all the admins/staff equally and second to the players. So we would be sure to add credit to you where credit is due if that is what you are concerned about.
I would like you to work in what every capacity you would like. I think your strengths are building/scripting so imo it would be good if you focused on them but you are free to work on what you want.

Hey Moth,
Have you come to any conclusions about joining us?

This was the final PM.

Now as you may notice my part of the messages are missing. This is not something I'm trying to hide or anything, hehe. Basically my Sendbox on my Forums PM System became full as I send mass-emails all members informing them about the new MOD. As it becomes filled 100%, it deletes the oldest PM by default - hence removing my part of the conversation with Constrainer.
Should this lead to futher speculations I'm sure Constrainer can provide my part of the PM conversation. I trust him enough to not edit it or anything. Smile

A piece of friendly advise; Don't say untrue things about others to put yourself in a better light. Self-flattering by deception only makes you look insignificant yourself in the long run.


I wish you all the best of luck here and thank you all for keeping my MOD alive and kickin'! Smile

Finally to my number one fan;
J. Persinne wrote:...Moth was a madman!...
Aren't all geniuses? Twisted Evil
Haha.

Have fun folks. Cya around out there!

-TheMothMan
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